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Staff Complaint {Sniperz} [Not Handling Reports]

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Date of Occurrence: 9/24/2020
Staff Member's Name: Sniperz (There was also a Moderation on at the time but I wasn't paying enough attention to who it was]
Staff Member's SteamID: I dont know man I cant be asked
Your Name: Mousey
Your DiscordID: @Mousey#9981
Please describe the situation in as much detail as possible:

Alright so, I'm not usually the one for petty reports but this is the 2nd time now that I have tried to play on Pluto (I like taking short breaks from FRG from time to time) and have been hassled by the community to the point of no longer wanting to play. I don't know if its because I act over the top and half joking when this situations occur or what? But I have 0 clue why this kind of behavior is acceptable here.

Basically I will try to keep this short but my T buddy was Speed and he called me out as his T bud which I was. This lead to me being killed by Arson. I was mildly annoyed by this but only because I thought it was pure RDM. So I reported Arson and asked what happened. The Admin ended up explaining the situation to me which was that my T bud called me out. Now on literally any other server I've staff or even played on really, this would be considered a type of metagaming or at the VERY least RDM. So I ask if anything will be done about it. I being f u n n i and loud about it which I'll admit was prolly a bit memey but mainly because I was explaining the admin to at least give SOME form of punishment since they clearly saw the situation go down and even explained it to me. So next map comes and when I ask about it again I get a simple "No report = Not Handling" which I GUESS is fair, but as an admin on FRG I literally cannot even imagine explaining to a player that their T bud was metagaming/caused them to get RDMed and then refusing to do a single thing about it because no report was made. I was in a memey mood as I said so I just shrugged this off and wouldn't have gone full Karen mode if what happened next didn't happen.

For the next map I was targeted by Arson AT LEAST 3-4 times. With 2 of them being blatant RDM. With them screaming in their mic "BRO YOU SHOT ME GOTTA KILL YOU NOW" and then gunning me down. I think I made a 3 reports on them total? Maybe only 2 for the 2 times it was more just "I literally did nothing" In my final report I said something along the lines of "If this guy RDMs me one more time and gets 0 punishment I'm leaving" Sniperz then precedes to pull us into a staff chat and says "Arson, RDM him again" or something along those lines.

I am absolutely baffled that that is even considered slightly OK for a staff member to do and that is something I can't even imagine doing as a staff member. Actively telling another member of the community to continue RDMing a newer player so that they leave. I've seen some asinine behavior in staff teams before on Garry's Mod but nothing like this.

Confirmed Witness(es): Eppen, Speed, Maybe Phrot and Codi?

I understand that you guys staff in a way that takes after the way they staffed on MG where I'm sure everything with no major evidence gets thrown out. But I mean seriously. What reasoning do I have to come on the server and just make shit up? I gave a couple witnesses but I understand that not everyone pas attention to every little detail when they play and could have missed the whole thing. But it will seriously be a massive shame and a massive negative to just ignore a situation like this. Especially for a smaller and growing community.

How do you believe we can fix this:

I don't know if this is reoccuring behavior, I just wanted to give an account of why I don't log into Pluto as often as I'd like, because everytime I do, I seem to be met with bullshit like this. Yeah I get it, I joke around a lot but I don't understand why I'm dealing with them same small group of players that from accounts I've heard from other players DON'T just act like this towards me, we recieve 0 form of punishment? I suppose thats what happens when you have staff members witnessing and explaining how a rule was broken and yet refusing to do anything because "No report = Not handling"

I like Pluto and I like playing Pluto but I cannot support a server that's community repeatedly makes me feel unwelcomed. Maybe its just me? I understand I'm not the most LIKABLE person to a lot of members of Pluto but it literally any other new player receives this type of treatment or even sees it happen, I have 0 clue how you expect your community to grow.

By ignoring this report because I'm not supplying "enough evidence" or whatever, you are doing nothing but harming the growth of your community. So feel free to shrug this off, but I really do urge you to at least TALK to your staff team to avoid future issues similar to this. I just wanted to share my personal advice as someone who is also a staff member and has staff TTT servers for 4 years now.

Additional Information:

I'm gay tbh

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Hey Mousey, I'd like to be upfront and apologize for making you feel this way, I will not dodge any accusations in this post and understand it was not my sole intent to drive you off. I was unfortunately not recording today and I've already shown proof of this as well as non-tampering to Hound so I cannot provide my raw side. 

For the first instance, Sneaky "handled" the report but used information I supplied him in staff chat, this was the following: Speed repeatedly called out Mousey as a T buddy, Speed was killed by Arson, and Arson killed Mousey-- within 1 minute of round start and 10 seconds between Speed and Mousey's death. The fault for this instance fell upon Speed, however as Arson was reported the report was finished without action. Mousey asked about this report twice on teen room, to which I replied twice that he reported the wrong person and gave him the name of the player. This was acknowledged by Mousey the second time I responded. I was waiting for a report to be created on Speed as a report that doesn't exist is the same as one that's been forgiven in my eyes; I also kept this option available up until the point Mousey left on ttt_christmastown, citing "no report = cant handle" in a PA. This was the first instance of Arson and Mousey. Continuing this point-- Arson was slain by me for accidental RDM during his playtime on teenroom, although I'm not certain if it was a report from Mousey so I won't make that claim. You are correct that the actions of Speed deserve a slap on the wrist similar to this situation but elevated, as it was your cause of death:  https://pluto.gg/topic/175-player-complaintyuplolghosting/  I hope this clears up the first situation.

Secondly, I remember off memory three instances on christmastown where Arson killed you and was reported one of which he was slain-- I cannot remember a fourth. Initially, Arson was detective and in a monkey-in-the-middle situation with the linear positioning being Eppen <- Arson <- Mousey. Eppen shot at Arson which Arson killed him for. After this from view of deathscene, Mousey shot towards Eppens body while Arson was still in his direct line of fire which prompted Arson to turn around immediately and kill Mousey. Taking it as Eppens was dead when the shot took place it was a grey area in terms of validity but I ruled it as accidental with valid reason from the shots.

Next, Mousey and Arson were T buddies. I'll use a photo of the map with drawings to give context to positioning below. Arson(Blue) killed an innocent(Red) near left most trees. Arson retreated through trees following the yellow path and noticed the detective(Red) on roof looking across the map, vision shown with red dots. He was locked onto the Detective while reloading until he was under the roof and safe, upon which he turned to his left and shot Mousey(Green) right when he saw him without thinking or looking. This caused him to stop mid way though and realize his actions after it was too late and the DoT finished the job. He received a slay for this as it was evident it was an accident and not rightful in any form, just an action of panic and the first instance of it happening.

I cannot remember the third instance move by move but this the report where I opened the chat with Mousey and Arson. To my memory it was a situation where Arson got hit/shot at by Mousey and Arson killed him for it, where the shot was crossfire from Mousey and had no intent for Arson. The report that was created was a keyboard mash from both sides and I opened a chat to join what I misunderstood as two people fucking around with a report. Mousey had at the end of the report exactly what he said above, if he is rdmed again by Arson without Arson receiving punishment he will be leaving. This is what minaly sparked the misunderstanding on my side as I had just slain Arson for killing Mousey as his T buddy a few rounds prior, so I took it as a joke. I messaged the following in the chat I opened: "yo arson" "do me a favor" "rdm mousey again" to which I closed the chat, as it had no purpose to the report and was just there to respond to the joke. Again, the sole reason behind this was my understanding that the only occurrence of RDM that happened was the t buddy incident and it was both sides just memeing about. 

I apologize if this made you feel unwelcomed, it was not my intention nor will it ever be. I should also add we are constantly looking into the toxicity present on Pluto and looking to filter it out, albeit slowly so there is chances for players to reform and dilute their actions. All the information in the report above is accurate and should be taken as such. Feel free to DM me at any point if you want to talk about this or voice your views about the reports further in privacy. I hope to see you again,



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Situation resolved itself without needing any intervention, if any of you involved have questions feel free to DM me on discord with them.


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